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Any "debate" that involves Donald Trump invariably turns into a train wreck, since he talks out of turn, goes off on constant tangents, and spends most of his time taking cheap potshots. Last night, the seven Republicans who "debated" at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library each tried to make the case that they can be Trump v2.0. And in one way, they did an excellent job of it. They showed that they too can ruin a "debate" by talking out of turn, going off on constant tangents, and taking cheap potshots.
If readers did not see it, and for some reason are gluttons for punishment, well... you can watch here if you're willing to give Fox an e-mail address (perhaps consider a 10 Minute Mail burner account). Alternatively, you can watch here if you want (or can tolerate) a split screen where the debate is on the left and progressive pundit Brian Tyler Cohen is on the right, offering his comments. There's no clean copy available right now because Fox is aggressively asserting its copyright.
In any event, it was just... awful. Torturous. Worse than spending 2 hours in the dentist's chair. Let us count the ways:
- No Trump: It's hardly a novel observation that a debate held without the runaway
frontrunner is kind of a waste of time. The candidates on stage could maybe make the evening worthwhile, politics-wise,
if they were willing to actually take on the former president in absentia. But while there was a little more of that
than the last time, there was not much more. It was still the kid gloves approach, mostly.
- Everybody Hates Vivek: On the other hand, the other six folks on stage clearly loathe
Vivek Ramaswamy. There were some very testy moments, and several of the non-Ramaswamy candidates had clearly read
the Marc Thiessen
hit piece in The Washington Post, which talks about how Ramaswamy and his firm were doing business with China
as late as 2021. Nikki Haley, Mike Pence and Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) all brought that issue up. Haley also told
Ramaswamy that every time she hears him speak, she feels a little dumber. Ouch, although if she's going to steal
the speech from
she might as well steal the whole thing, because it's funnier that way. Adam Sandler is (reportedly) a Republican, so he
Perhaps Ramaswamy saw this coming, because while he slurred his opponents as "bought and paid for" at the last debate, he said multiple times last night that everyone who was on stage is a good person, and that Democrats are the real enemy. We do not think this will make the other Republicans feel warm and fuzzy about him.
- Nothing New: We listened to the entire debate, as painful as it was. And we're not sure we
heard a single proposal, a single opinion, a single... anything related to policy that we had not heard before. What's
the point of repeating, yet again, the things that everyone has already heard? We get it. China is evil. The wide-open
border is responsible for millions of people dying from fentanyl overdoses. Joe Biden should be curing cancer or
securing world peace or unlocking the secrets of cold fusion instead of what he's actually doing. Get some new talking
points, folks. (With this said, they did disagree on one thing, namely Ukraine.)
- It's Not a Dictatorship: To the extent that there were policy proposals—and again,
there weren't many—we don't think we heard a single thing that could actually get through Congress. Whether it's
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) talking about a $25/hour minimum wage or it's every Republican on stage talking about
converting the entire American educational establishment to a voucher-based system, what's the point if none of it will
ever come to pass?
- Paradise... or Hellscape?: In addition to a lack of clarity about what the candidates
would actually do as president, and what differentiates them from one another, our head was also left spinning by the
conflicting generalizations about the United States. On one hand, the American dream is alive and well (Sen. Tim Scott,
R-SC), capitalism is the greatest economic system ever created (Ramaswamy) and Americans are the greatest innovators
ever (Chris Christie). On the other hand, America is in a state of decay (DeSantis), its economy is on the brink of ruin
(Christie), and it's been in decline since the Great Society (Scott). So... which is it?
- Uncontrolled: Maybe three-moderator setups are just not a good idea, because there's
effectively nobody in charge. Or maybe it was just this particular three-moderator setup. In any event, the trio—Fox's
Dana Perino, Fox Business' Stuart Varney and Univision's Ilia Calderón—had absolutely no control
over the debate. We do not know how they chose which candidate got which question, but there was no rhyme or reason
to it, as far as we could detect. That said, it hardly mattered, because any candidate who wanted to speak up did so,
whether they had the floor or not. Often, there were three or four or five candidates all talking at once. And this
was not an infrequent thing—it must have happened at least a dozen times, if not more. And it often went on
for 20-30 seconds.
The moderators also don't seem to have been paying attention to the clock. They apparently had a "hard" finish time of 8:00 p.m., and when that time was reached, they just ended the debate, while the people on stage were in the middle of bickering about a question. There were no closing statements, it just... ended.
- Make It a Tercet... Or Not: The moderator trio did have a couple of gimmicks up
their sleeves, both of which landed with a thud. They had choreographed their first question, such that each
took turns reading portions of it. That came off as corny and contrived. Then, near the end, before the sudden
"good night!" they tried to get the seven people on stage to "vote one candidate off the island," in the style
of the show Survivor. This was planned far enough in advance that there were Sharpie pens and note cards
for each of the candidates to cast their votes. However, this was so silly that the candidates refused to
Beyond those two bits of poorly conceived stagecraft, however, there was zero indication that the three moderators were working as a team. No wonder they struggled to keep control.
- Carnac the Magnificent: Most readers will remember
the old Carson bit
where he'd put on an oversized turban, and as the ostensibly psychic Carnac the Magnificent, would offer up incongruous
answers to questions sealed in envelopes. This greatly amused the TV audiences of the 1960s and 1970s.
We could not help but think of Carnac last night because, as part of the moderators' lack of control, they were almost entirely unable to compel the candidates to actually answer the questions that were asked. Perhaps most obviously, there were at least four occasions where a candidate was asked about school choice (generally), and somehow managed to turn the question into a rant about trans students using the right bathrooms.
- Ministry of Information: We will concede the moderators did come with some tough
questions. Undoubtedly, they walked away feeling like "serious journalists." However, they almost invariably used
extremely partisan framing (especially Perino). Things like: "All Americans are horrified by the state of the country's
big cities, so what would you do to try to clean up the mess?" That's not a direct quote, but it's a pretty good
paraphrase of one of Perino's queries. The person who benefited most from this approach, beyond the folks at Fox (who
always like to stir the pot), is Trump. This way, the "horrors" of the Biden years get out there, and so too does the
non-Trump candidates' lack of answers to those "horrors."
- Lies, Lies... I Can't Believe a Word You Say: With apologies to
the seven folks on stage made it easy for CNN's Daniel Dale and the other fact checkers of the world to fill as many
column inches as is necessary, since the falsehoods were just constant.
To take an example, Mike Pence decreed that he, as vice president, played a major role in reducing undocumented immigration by 90%. Is there any part of that sentence that anyone thinks is true? Similarly, Vivek Ramaswamy claimed that there are semi-trucks full of fentanyl coming to the U.S. through secret tunnels that run underneath the border fence. Strange nobody has snapped a photo of these secret tunnels, since that would probably nab a Pulitzer. DeSantis, for his part, resumed his habit of telling "personal" anecdotes that we seriously doubt. For example, he lamented a situation where a family with a baby rented an Airbnb, the previous occupants left some fentanyl behind, and the baby found it and ate it and died. Could have happened, we suppose, but we are quite skeptical. Similarly, the Governor claimed that while walking to the debate, he talked to three different people who have been mugged (ipso facto, crime is out of control). We find it hard to accept that people can just walk up to DeSantis to share their mugging stories, as he's out and about. Also, he must not know that Simi Valley, where the Reagan Library is located, is retired cop central. It is... improbable that a mugger would set up shop there.
- Republicans Aren't Funny: When (Z) was first learning the ropes of being
a teacher, one of the best professors in his department said: "If you're actually funny, that can be a great
thing in a classroom. But if you're not funny, and you try to be, it will go over like a lead balloon."
The well-established stereotype is that Republicans aren't funny. We've seen very little evidence, since St. Ronnie of Reagan went to the big White House in the sky, to call that into question (and yes, we have seen episodes of the godawful Gutfeld). The folks on stage last night also did nothing to dispel us of the notion. Christie had the most memorable bon mot of the night, we suppose, when he declared that if Trump keeps skipping debates, he'll become known as "Donald Duck." The problems: (1) it's not that great a line, (2) Christie delivered it badly, and (3) Christie's smirk at the end made it clear he thinks it's the cleverest line since Carson and "I didn't even know he was Jewish." Can't laugh at your own jokes, Chris—it ruins the magic. Among other examples, Christie's line about how Mexico probably would have paid for the wall if they would have known it would only be 52 miles didn't really land, while Mike Pence's attempt to be bawdy by observing that he's been sleeping with a teacher for 38 years was just cringeworthy.
- Fire the IT Guy: One last gripe. Whoever did the sound for the debate should be fired. It was tinny and often had an echo, and some people (particularly Calderón) were very hard to hear. In addition, whoever did the green-screening should join the sound guy in the unemployment line. It looked just awful, like the candidates had been transported back to a world where only 1980s TV technology exists, and so everyone has a slight halo around them. Although we guess that's kind of apropos for a library dedicated to an 80s president.
In short, it was not entertaining, it was not enlightening, it was not interesting, it was not inspiring. We have been following politics long enough to know that you have to go into these things with very modest expectations. But even then, it was just lousy.
Before we leave the headache behind, however, we will offer a few remarks on each of the seven candidates. And we're going to list them from "best performance" (in our view) to "worst performance," although with the caveat that "best performance" is a relative term on a night like last night:
- Christie: Christie appears to be slowly returning to his original plan of going after
Donald Trump. It didn't happen a lot last night, but it did happen 3-4 times, which is about as many as the other six
candidates combined. He's also one of two candidates on stage who sounded like a grown-up more often than not, even if
he too indulged far too often in tired Republican talking points.
- Haley: Haley was the other grown-up on stage. She started poorly, including a bunch of
sniping with Ramaswamy. However, she gave a couple of answers on China, Russia and Ukraine near the end of the evening
that were the closest thing to serious policy that was on display last night.
- Scott: He usually seems like a nice enough fellow, although even he was taking potshots
at Ramaswamy. In any event, he rarely has anything useful to say on policy (last night, his big thing was talking about
how the Trump border wall needs to be completed), and when he looks into the camera and says that while he's suffered
from discrimination a bunch, but America is not a racist country, we wonder what the heck his theory of his presidential
run is. The ostensible plan is to attract Black voters to the GOP banner. But most Black voters do not think we are in a
post-racial America, as yet.
- DeSantis: We're now well into various gradations of "really bad." It is possible that
DeSantis is a cow, because several times as he pondered questions put to him, he looked like he was chewing his cud.
Maybe he and former representative Devin Nunes
Beyond that, however, he's the most frighteningly extreme person on that stage, with the exception of Ramaswamy. Talking
about things like invading Mexico on his first day in office will not win over moderate voters. Also, to adapt Joe
Biden's line about Rudy Giuliani, every sentence out of DeSantis' mouth has three parts: a noun, a verb and Florida. We
understand that he's running on his record as Governor. But doesn't he understand that voters aren't really all that
interested in hearing what he did for the Sunshine State, and are much more interested in what he's going to do for
them? He did take one shot at Trump, very early on, so that's different, at least.
- Ramaswamy: If there were a big headline next week that six of the candidates on stage were
real people, and the seventh was actually AI-generated, we'd put all our money on Ramaswamy as the fake. He is so
over-scripted and so over-coached that it barely seems like a person is speaking. It does not help that whoever is
writing his talking points does not seem to have grasped that spoken language and written language are different. So,
anytime Ramaswamy speaks, it sounds like he's reading from a position paper or his diary. Oh, and it's really remarkable
that he's decided that promising to get rid of birthright citizenship is a winner. When you scapegoat undocumented
immigrants, well, those folks can't vote. When you scapegoat birthright citizens, well, those folks can.
- Pence: When Dwight D. Eisenhower was asked to name one useful thing that Richard Nixon had
done for the administration, the then-President said "If you give me a week, I'll think of one." Well, if you asked us
to name a more boring human being than Mike Pence, we could probably come up with someone, if you give us a week. Even
when he was opening fire on his opponents, like noting that Ramaswamy stopped doing business with China a couple of
years ago, which is the same time Ramaswamy finally found time to start voting in presidential elections, we were on the
verge of falling asleep.
When the former VP talks to his campaign staff about how they're going to win this thing, what does he say? We can concoct scenarios for any of people #1 through #4 on this list (even if some of those scenarios strain credulity). We cannot concoct any sequence of events that ends with President Pence.
- Burgum: On each of the (rare) occasions that Burgum was on camera, we kept humming the song "Don't You (Forget About Me)," by Simple Minds. Burgum spoke less than any other person on stage, and it wasn't particularly close (7m 39s; next least was Pence with 9m 38s; while Ramaswamy got the most airtime with 12m 30s). And even to get that much time, Burgum had to speak out of turn (several times) and seize the floor when it wasn't his. Also, and we don't know why, he looked about 10 years older at this debate than he did at the one last month. Truth be told, between his somewhat sunken face and his sweaty sheen, we would guess he's got a cold or something like that. In any event, he was entirely forgettable in what may well be his final debate.
That's how we have it. Because of teaching schedules, it wasn't possible to put together another Bingo-style game for this one. For the next one, however, we're going to have to come up with something, just in order to get through it without giving ourselves the Oedipus treatment. (Z)
As always, we watched the debate and wrote our assessment without looking at or listening to anyone else's commentary. Well, OK, staff dachshund Otto barked at DeSantis every time he came on screen, but we didn't let that influence us unduly.
Because the debate happened fairly early in the evening, there's been time for pretty much everyone to do takeaways pieces. So now that our thoughts have been put to paper (or to pixels, at least), let's see how others had it:
- Punches grazed Trump, but the status quo remains
- DeSantis offers a glimpse of what his supporters have wanted
- Haley cemented her spot near center stage
- Tim Scott reasserted himself
- Ramaswamy showed a kinder, gentler side
- The candidates finally called out Trump for his absence
- The jokes were worse than usual
- Republicans continue to politicize crime to avoid talking about solutions
- It mostly devolved into culture wars
- Abortion was almost overlooked
- DeSantis hits Trump
- GOP's shift from Reagan
- A new tone from Ramaswamy?
- A more assertive Scott
- Running to win?
- The cringe debate
- Attacking Trump
- Talking tough on immigration
- Vivek Ramaswamy on the defensive
- Cringeworthy moments
- DeSantis calls out Trump for skipping the debate
- Christie gets 'Donald Duck' trending on social media
- Candidates deflect on striking union workers
- A GOP stuck in neutral on health care policy
- Haley, Ramaswamy clash again
- Burgum, serial interrupter
- Haley aims shots at her rivals
- The candidates diverge on immigration
- A more assertive Scott seizes the spotlight
- Blaming Biden for the autoworkers strike
- An effort to score points over the shutdown
- Trump's safe approach appears to pay off
- A messy two hours
- Palmetto pummeling
- An uneven performance for DeSantis
- Tough questions on immigration, Latino voters
- The candidates—and moderators—shy away from abortion talk
- DeSantis, Pence duck health care questions while Haley pounces
- Trump's shadow hangs over debate
- Moderators struggle to keep control
- Ramaswamy tries to reboot
- Scott shakes off Mr. Nice Guy image
- Nobody on stage wins
So, the running themes are: (1) people are attacking Trump finally; (2) still, Trump wins by not being there; (3) Haley did well; (4) Scott got meaner; (5) Ramaswamy got nicer and (6) it was tough to watch. That is about how we saw it, too. (Z)
If it is not enough to watch 2 hours of Republican wannabes debating, we also watched one hour of Donald Trump speaking to auto workers in Michigan. Does this kind of sacrifice for the greater good maybe make us eligible for a Nobel Prize, or something like that?
As you might expect, the speech was an hour of meandering, disconnected thoughts from the mind of The Donald. Some of them had to do with the auto industry, some of them did not. We don't watch all that many Trump campaign events, because they're all the same, but we would swear he's gotten even more unhinged/stream-of-consciousness than he used to be. He also spoke unusually quickly and rocked around for much of the first part of the speech. We doubt he scored some Bolivian marching powder from Don Jr., but if you told us he was taking Adderall, we'd believe it.
Anyhow, we actually think there are only two interesting things here to talk about. The first is that the general election campaign basically started yesterday. Trump always aims some withering fire at Joe Biden, during pretty much any rally/TV appearance/media interview/trip to the bathroom. Now, however, Biden is firing back. The President marched with striking UAW workers on Tuesday, of course. Not coincidentally, Biden 2024 released its first anti-Trump ad yesterday:
The White House also weighed in on Trump's speech, calling it "incoherent." They're not wrong.
The second interesting thing is that Trump the politician once flew by the seat of his pants, and primarily trusted his gut. These days, he's being much more obviously calculating. When it comes to the UAW strikes, Trump and the Republicans want to be pro-business, because businesses donate lots of money, but they also want to be pro-labor, because they hope blue-collar workers are the Party's future.
Consequent to this, it certainly appears that the Trump campaign worked to muddy the waters, so that his speech appeared to be a pro-strike/pro-union event, but... only very slightly. We got it wrong in writing Trump would appear at a union shop, and we were far from the only ones. In fact, it was a non-union plant, and the majority of the people who were in attendance are not UAW members. In total, only a handful of workers on strike were there for the speech.
In other words, Trump is trying to have it both ways (he's trying to do the same with abortion). Whether he can do so remains to be seen; our guess is that the UAW rank and file can tell the difference between a president who walks the actual picket lines and a former president who puts on a veneer of being pro-union, but puts in an appearance at a non-union facility. Also, we wonder if the new, more calculating Trump will prove to be a turnoff to some of his followers, who were first attracted to him by his authenticity and his willingness to take action based on impulse. (Z)
Ok, the proper name of the song by the Human Beinz is "Nobody but Me," but it's unofficially known by its most famous lyric, so we're running with it.
There wasn't all that much Trump legal news yesterday, but the one bit of news there was is pretty important. As expected, Judge Tanya Chutkan declined to recuse herself from overseeing the former president's Washington, DC prosecution. Her 20-page response absolutely eviscerates the arguments made by Trump's legal team, which was surely not hard for her to do, since those arguments were silly and were rooted in a gross misrepresentation of both the evidence and of legal precedent.
And so, the wheels of justice continue to grind at 333 Constitution Avenue, N.W., while March 4, 2024, gets closer and closer. (Z)
Another day, and... still no progress on the part of Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) when it comes to the looming government shutdown.
In fact, you could argue that the Speaker is actually moving backwards. His latest "idea," such as it is, was to throw his weight behind a bill that gives the Freedom Caucusers most of what they want, including an 8% cut in outlays. And now, a list of parties who don't like the proposal: Joe Biden, both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate, House Democrats, the Biden 18 in the House, many House moderates and... the Freedom Caucus. If today's proposal has considerably fewer votes than yesterday's proposal, then that's pretty much the definition of retrograde maneuvers, right?
In the end, it's pretty clear that the (temporary) solution to this mess is going to come from the Senate. Both Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) are maneuvering a basically clean continuing resolution through their chamber. That takes time, however, and it's likely that it will take a discharge petition to bring it to the floor of the House, so that McCarthy can tell the FCers he had nothing to do with it and that he tried his best to hold the line. Discharge petitions also take time.
Add it up, and it's going to be hard to avoid a shutdown. Maybe it will be a day, maybe it will be a week, maybe longer. Then the question is: Which party will pay the price? The latest from YouGov suggests it will be... the Republicans. Among respondents, 32% said they would blame everyone, 29% said they would blame Congressional Republicans, 14% said they would blame Congressional Democrats, and 13% said they would blame Joe Biden. Even if you add the Biden/Congressional Democrats totals together, it's still less than the Republican total. Plus, Democrats would very much like people to be angry at Republican members of Congress heading into next year, and that looks to be a real possibility.
That said, the fellow who is really sweating bullets right now is Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R-VA). He really wants a trifecta in Virginia, and he could have it if this November's elections go well. However, if there's a shutdown, well... voters might forget by next November, but they probably won't forget by this November. And, of course, D.C. politics usually spill into Virginia elections. So, Youngkin would very much like McCarthy to get on the ball, thank you very much. (Z)
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